tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post4788263946731113079..comments2024-03-20T03:16:20.581-04:00Comments on Frankly, My Dear: Let's Talk | Ingrid Bergman vs. Greta GarboRiannahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-62134951680307699722018-05-25T23:25:46.193-04:002018-05-25T23:25:46.193-04:00Remember, "Beauty is in the eye of the behold...Remember, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-32003379367665962752016-08-09T09:37:05.241-04:002016-08-09T09:37:05.241-04:00I agree I've never though of greta Garbo as a ...I agree I've never though of greta Garbo as a great beauty I have a lot films of greta Garbo like Camille and even though her films are actually quite good her beauty is not great, not very femanine at all, very thin lips ,icy looking eyes a manly voice not like Vivien Leigh or Elizabeth Taylor whom I consider great beauties. To me Ingrid Bergman was more beautiful than greta Garbo more femanine soft lines in her face, she is amazing looking in Casablanca Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-42393036281564550222016-06-21T01:11:47.765-04:002016-06-21T01:11:47.765-04:00For heaven's sake! Why are people always ravin...For heaven's sake! Why are people always raving about the "beauty" of Garbo? She's an average looking woman with a lot of makeup. If she wasn't a famous star, would anyone think her looks were remarkable? I've always thought she was butt-ugly!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-23480352494561395382015-09-03T14:16:38.039-04:002015-09-03T14:16:38.039-04:00And now I've seen THE KISS, which makes me qui...And now I've seen THE KISS, which makes me quite certain that silent films were a superior art form. The silence obviously is a main reason. So when watching them today one needs to switch off the inevitably goopy musical accompaniment.<br /><br />In THE KISS Garbo doesn't need a voice. Her voice is in her constantly changing face, a silent screen within the silent screen. And as in the case of all most beautiful women, she is not at her most breathtaking every second. With her face pinched from anguish, e.g., she looks almost ordinary. Such a low point creates high points if you know what I mean.<br /><br />In addition, the dresses and headpieces she wears also provide flickering alteration of her presence, e.g., while on the defendant's stand in court she looks like a nun.<br /><br />There are purely personal reasons for my admiration as well. In A WOMAN OF AFFAIRS there is a great crew race. In THE KISS there is wonderful tennis. Those are my two most favorite sports.<br /><br />The three Weird Sisters who come to clean the courtroom at the end of THE KISS are just one comic highlight of this extremely hip tale of a lovers' triangle. They are out of MACBETH by William Shakespeare.Bottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700134397861170863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-80122408016893163552015-09-02T16:55:56.430-04:002015-09-02T16:55:56.430-04:00I love them both, even Garbo's behaviors, but ...I love them both, even Garbo's behaviors, but have no need to "rank" them. The comparison that most interests me is Garbo in silent films vs. speaky films. Just having seen A WOMAN OF AFFAIRS for the first time, I'm wondering if Garbo's power in silent films isn't underestimated at least by a modern audience. I thought she was better in this one than in NINOTCHKA and her other speakies. Bottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700134397861170863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-30412314061834566272015-08-27T12:30:50.448-04:002015-08-27T12:30:50.448-04:00OK - it seems fairly obvious to me that Ingrid &qu...OK - it seems fairly obvious to me that Ingrid "won" (by one vote) this because the participants (those who commented, anyway) are unfamiliar with Garbo's work.<br />Greta Garbo was the highest paid film star of her era.<br />At the same time she was considered the most beautiful woman on the planet, by many.<br />Joan Crawford was in awe of her.<br />Bette Davis was in awe of her presence ("witchcraft") in front of the camera. <br />Both John & Lionel Barrymore had nothing but praise for GG.<br />Please watch Anna Christie, Grand Hotel, Ninotchka and ESPECIALLY Camille, before you dismiss Garbo.<br />I am sure she would think this "contest" ridiculous, btw.<br />And oh, Garbo is regarded as a National Treasure in Sweden, to this day.Ed G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15713148023438678729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-80238961927338926182015-08-27T12:17:44.455-04:002015-08-27T12:17:44.455-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ed G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15713148023438678729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-45579409250949363402014-07-15T22:01:48.201-04:002014-07-15T22:01:48.201-04:00There seems to be an eagerness in Ingrid's eye...There seems to be an eagerness in Ingrid's eyes while there seems to be sadness in Greta's. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-85448297067313704462013-05-23T07:41:32.751-04:002013-05-23T07:41:32.751-04:00It has got to be Bergman. I just think she was mor...It has got to be Bergman. I just think she was more accessible than Garbo because Garbo always seems stand-offish. Bergman always seemed normal and you can always associate yourself with her. Hence you gotta love her!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-15822074220751276432012-09-21T15:33:05.877-04:002012-09-21T15:33:05.877-04:00Hi, we'd like to submit Jason Bryant's pho...Hi, we'd like to submit Jason Bryant's photo realistic old hollywood film still paintings coupled with skateboard graphics artworks for your review on your blog. Thank you for your consideration! He has a new solo show up in NY: http://portercontemporary.com/bryant-smoke-and-mirrors/ http://jasonbryantpaintings.tumblr.com/ http://inflightseries.tumblr.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-62656631368598767832012-05-16T16:37:34.115-04:002012-05-16T16:37:34.115-04:00Haha, I just saw this comment right now! I know, w...Haha, I just saw this comment right now! I know, we Americans with our accents tend to botch up all sorts of words. I found your two stories extremely funny, and haha yes, in your context it was fine. :) Yeah, because having live in the US all my life (and only speaking bits and pieces of other languages), I could never imagine becoming so comfortable in a 'foreign' language that i would think in it!Riannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-75629360159117217862012-05-16T08:51:18.600-04:002012-05-16T08:51:18.600-04:00I hate to have to vote on one or the other -- two ...I hate to have to vote on one or the other -- two beautiful women who would hate to be pitted against one another. <br /><br />Garbo hated competition and back-biting. Which is one of the reasons that she eventually left HollywoodLauren LoGiudicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528736525426461902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-42729225991684028352012-05-06T21:36:32.294-04:002012-05-06T21:36:32.294-04:00I have some american friends and, when they came h...I have some american friends and, when they came here, they would try to speak some words in Portuguese (I'm from Brazil) and I thought it was a little bit funny. Especially when they tried to say "bread" (which in Portuguese in "pão") and ended up saying "pau" (which means, among other things, "dick" - can I write that here?), because they couldn't make the nasal sound. But it goes both ways: a brazilian friend tried to say "peanuts" and I think you can guess what word came out of his mouth.<br />Anyway, I think Ingrid spent too much time in the US, if she was that comfortable with the language.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141593758610047865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-66801151953745509432012-05-06T18:38:53.780-04:002012-05-06T18:38:53.780-04:00Hi, I'm happy you enjoyed the post!
I really ...Hi, I'm happy you enjoyed the post!<br /><br />I really encourage you to see more of her movies. If I may suggest: Gaslight (1944), The Bells of St. Mary's (1945), Notorious (1946), and Anastasia (1956), are great movies to get started with. I've seen so much of her filmography, including a few of the films she made in Italy & Sweden. She truly was a lovely person and I would also encourage you to read a biography ("Ingrid: A Personal Biography" by Charlotte Chandler is rather good). I love Isabella a lot too, and the only work of Rossellini's I've seen is Stromboli (1950), but I'm rather interested in seeing Rome: Open City, as it's the movie that attracted Ingrid to his work.<br /><br />From the responses I've gotten to this post, I think the general idea seems to be that people think of Ingrid as a legitimate actress whereas Garbo is thought of as the 'star' and the 'icon', which I more or less agree with. Though I agree that Ingrid was the 'actress', she was also quite a big star, listed as the top box office draw through much of the 1940s. The studios created a 'natural' image for her that made her the woman all parents wanted their daughters to grow up to be. Of course, her 1950 scandal destroyed this reputation but it was later restored. <br /><br />Still, because of her mysterious lore Garbo was built for being the true definition of a movie STAR: she had that quality about her, that nearly made her goddess like, whereas Ingrid seemed more accessible and friendly. Very much what you say about Garbo the 'myth.'<br /><br />Oh, wow, thank you so much for the compliment! I hope you do return and feel free to leave more insightful comments such as this, I enjoyed reading your views!Riannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-11618742939582236582012-05-06T18:24:42.497-04:002012-05-06T18:24:42.497-04:00Well, first, what you had to say was very interest...Well, first, what you had to say was very interesting & I enjoyed reading it! Thank you for giving me the idea for this interactive series.<br /><br />I hadn't heard of Garbo before becoming a classic film fan, but upon becoming one, I definitely heard of her. To me, she had always seemed like a mysterious, vague movie star with 'The Face', one held in great esteem & regard. I agree that Casablanca is one of most well known films of all time, but this doesn't make Ingrid as well known as the movie.<br /><br />I agree with what you say about the comparison, and yes, the conversation does sound quite awkward, doesn't it?! I understand what you mean about the language. I mean, English is the only language I know fluently, and I live in America so obviously I speak only it here, but when I travel somewhere I feel embarrassed speaking whatever little I know of that country's native language because of my American accent! :)<br /><br />Though to note, I think English became the language Ingrid was most comfortable with because I read in her bio a conversation she had with George Cukor in which he noted the fact that she spoke five languages, and asked her which one she thought in, to which she replied, "English."Riannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-80243870514319527482012-05-06T18:22:57.945-04:002012-05-06T18:22:57.945-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Riannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-63919348447486434482012-05-06T18:17:45.585-04:002012-05-06T18:17:45.585-04:00I agree with pretty much everything you say, excep...I agree with pretty much everything you say, except that Garbo was the more beautiful of the two. In my opinion, Ingrid was, because her beauty was natural and she could look gorgeous with little to no makeup. Plus, she was unbelievably youthful and beautiful looking until she was diagnosed with her cancer, which aged her very quickly. To me, Garbo is very beautiful with a stunning face, but I see her beauty as more artificial. However, everyone has a different opinion on this.<br /><br />But you are right about everything else. Bergman was truly an "Actress", who acted until her dying day and made films in a variety of languages, which is what I admire about her.Riannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-32478065118053407642012-05-06T18:11:25.822-04:002012-05-06T18:11:25.822-04:00I too need to give Garbo more of a chance, having ...I too need to give Garbo more of a chance, having only seen a few of her films. But from what I've seen, I still like Ingrid much better. I love her so much, she was such a wonderful wonderful actress; I'd probably have to admit to her being my 2nd favorite actress.Riannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944970449461089647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-52463398551186377642012-05-05T19:02:45.716-04:002012-05-05T19:02:45.716-04:00Hello,
Very interesanting post. Google is fantasti...Hello,<br />Very interesanting post. Google is fantastic in a rainy saturday day.<br />Well, i have not been able to see any of Ingrid´s movies, as an adult. I mean I´m sure i have seen Casablanca many times, but in the past, in a time i was not really into classic movies. But I have seen some interviews, and Ingrid is such a lovely person. I would like to read her biography. I know better her daughter, I have seen her pictures, but that´s another story. My boydriend knows very well Rosellini´s films, so I feel very curios about those films, and of course about Ingrid´s career and life.<br />I have seen 3 Garbo movies. And I would love to see more. I have read more about her than about Ingrid. I think Greta Garbo was more a star, but not the way the people think about a star. It´s not Joan Crawford´s life. Garbo (I think) didn´t really wanted to be the star the people wanted her to be. And that´s is so damn interesting. While most of hollywood icons during the 30´s and 40´s talked about Garbo with mistery, with Ingrid it happened the opposite. I think everyone respected Ingrid a lot more than Garbo, i mean as actresses. But you get very confused when Katherine Hepburn or Bette Davis talk about Garbo like someone who has some unreachable charm when acting. Ingrid won more awards than Garbo, but when you compare them as icons or personalities, it seems like Garbo was something more. I don´t want to say that Ingrid wasn´t, but the whole world was facinating with her acting first, and with her personality second. With Garbo it was all about her face, her personality; it was first Garbo as the myth, and second as the actress.<br />Your post is one of the best (maybe the best) i have read about the two actresses. I´m fully agree with you when you say that if they were not fellow swedish, nobody would ever make any comparision. But it happens in music as well (Roxette, Abba trivias are everywhere) I will back to this website once i get to see more Bergman and Garbo´s films.<br />Cheers from Argentina,<br />JorgeJorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06299709474872069847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-6758205601163730512012-05-03T13:34:23.279-04:002012-05-03T13:34:23.279-04:00Even though I voted for Ingrid, I'm not really...Even though I voted for Ingrid, I'm not really familiar with her work. But, as I'd seen 2 of her films and none of Greta's, I had to give her my vote. <br />I don't know much about any of these actresses' personal lives (except from what I've just read here), but even before I became a fan of classic Hollywood, I had heard Garbo's name and knew she was some sort of screen legend. Kind of like I knew Marilyn Monroe and Elvis were legends (or icons), but didn't really know their work. As for Ingrid, I had never heard of her before I entered the old movies universe - although I knew of Casablanca, I wasn't familiar with the stars' names or anything like that. But after watching her, I thought she was quite natural in her acting and I loved her smile.<br />About the comparison between the 2, I think when a country that's not known for its cinematic productions gives two exceptional actresses/stars to the world, it's hard to escape this kind of comparison (even though it can be really annoying).<br />And that conversation between them must have been really awkward, starting with the language choice. I think it's so weird to speak in English with people from my own country, I get too self-conscious about my accent :)<br />Well, thanks for doing this. I hope next time I have more interesting things to say.Danihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141593758610047865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-8515685986804716042012-05-03T03:00:22.155-04:002012-05-03T03:00:22.155-04:00Garbo was the more beautiful of the two. She was a...Garbo was the more beautiful of the two. She was a product of the Hollywood studio system, but the problem was that she could care less. When she had enough money stocked away and knew that she could live comfortably for the rest of her life she walked away and never regretted it. She was not one would classify as a true actress--she was someone who photographed well and had screen presence. <br /><br />Bergman was an actress--she acted up until her death. When she was blacklisted by decency leagues in the USA she went to Italy, France, and Sweden and made films.Kimberly J.M. Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09078951928157843937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869591875570698529.post-26420648294040960362012-05-02T21:23:43.493-04:002012-05-02T21:23:43.493-04:00I definitely need to create more interactive posts...I definitely need to create more interactive posts like this one, thanks for the nudge. I love Bergman but I have to say I haven't seen any Garbo movies yet (the yet is important). I love how Bergman did any genre and instantly elevated them.Kristenhttp://www.journeysinclassicfilm.comnoreply@blogger.com